Oct
2
The Profit Mountain Review
Filed Under Neutral systems |
We are now going to test and review The Profit Mountain. This system is a lay system which is made upon Adrian Masseys custom ratings. It’s from Hoofbeater which also runs a tipping service that we are monitoring right now.
What is included in The Profit Mountain System
You will get a ebook which does not look very professional and it does not bother you with endless talks about what is a betting exchange and so on.
Since it takes advantage of Adrian Masseys ratings which are not available to everyone the author offers to send you the selections free of charge everyday which makes this system very easy to operate.
There are no loss recovery staking plan so this system is one of few which tries to make money at level stakes. It has been back tested to the year 2000 with consistent profits.
If you had placed a 10 unit bet on all the qualifiers since year 2000 (taking into consideration +20% SP and 5% commission) you would now have earned a whooping 140.000!!!! (the units are raised at certain points when enough profit were made). See the results on the website.
Everyone can easily go into Adrian Massey site after buying the system to verify that this system really have made very good profits as quoted on the sales page.
I look forward to seeing how this test goes since it’s an easy system with lots of back tested results.
The Profit Mountain Review
Unfortunately we have decided not to test it anymore at the moment since the results on the website will be the same as the ones we get.
It is a system which shows good results in back testing but has not convinced us during the small test. The test is of course not long enough to establish whether it works or not, but I think you can trust the authors results on the website, so check to see how it goes.
We will put it in NEUTRAL at the moment and maybe test it again later on.
Underneath will the results from The Profit Mountain be updated daily
Normal stake £100
Note:- All bets will be placed just 60 seconds before the off
4th October: 4.0 Fontwell Lay Sainte Kadette Odds 7.4 Win (Horse Losh) +95
5th October: No selection
6th October: No selection
7th October:
4.30 Catterick Lay Capal Dubh Alainn Odds 7.8 Loss (Horse Win) -680
4.30 Catterick Lay Restart Odds 10.5 Win +95
8th October:
4.0 Towcester Lay Great Tsar Odds 11.5 Win +95
4.20 Exeter Lay Elton Odds 7 Won +95
9th October:
4.55 Newbury Lay Hills of Aran Odds 11.5 Win +95
5.05 Wincanton Lay Command Marshal 9.0 Win +95
7.2 Greatleighs Lay Scots whae 9.2 Win +95
10th October: No Selection
11th October:
3.05 Chepstov Lay Carrick Oscar Odds 9.0 Win +95
3.05 Chepstov Lay Warsaw Pact Odds 9.0 Loss (Horse win) -800
12th Ocober: No selection
13th October: No selection
14th October: No selection
15th October:
2.40 Wetherby Lay Galaxia Odds 9.2 Win +95
5.20 Wetherby Lay Night force Odds 11.5 Loss (Horse win) -1050
16th October:
6.50 Great leighs Lay King of sparta Odds 9.8 Win +95
17th October: No selection
18th October: No selection
19th October: No selection
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Total P/L Start from 4th October: -1577 (Loss)
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After nearly half month of testing now Author has decided to place bet at BetfairSP and updated his website results as well.
I will leave all the above results as well as will update to BetfairSP which is Exactly same as on his website as everyone get the same selections if you use BetfairSP
This test will be performed by Hardik
I have noticed that they made a great money since 2000 and I would be interested to buy this.
There is one thing I do not understand why they using the free web site by Daddy.com. If they have plenty of money then they can afford it to buy their own website. So there may be something suspect in their site. I hope I may be wrong.
Many thanks,
Jono
Hi Jono,
Whenever we see any tipping website showing great Profit, we all have same question and still we go for it. same thing apply to any Gambling system with great profit.
But we are here to identify the scamer and goodprofit maker. let’s see how the test will go.
Hardik
Hardik,
Sure, that is why I am here and check with your test!
Cheers,
Jono
Hey guys,
Love the site! I am not affiliated with this system, other than as a recent customer and I just wanted to add this little tidbit:
Technically, the horse that won and therefor lost $$$ for us today (the 7th) was a non-bet. The horse at bet time was the 2nd favorite which is one of the system’s disqualifiers. The author of the system pointed out in an email today that he would count this as a loss anyway, because most people, and the bot he recommends, would’ve bet the horse.
He’s been a really standup guy so far and I just wanted to throw this info out there for consideration.
Keep up the great work!
Erik
As i already explained to jono in a private email i use a free webste as its idenicle to a website you pay for in every single way with godaddy if you just need a basic site except they put a few harmless adds at the top which dont affect anything at all. Why pay for something you can get free? Its basic logik. every penny counts in this life.
Dave
Also i would like to say to people like Jono who ask for a refund as soon as they get a losing selection, that gambling is about the long term, no system on earth makes consistent short term profits. To ask for a refund just because you have had a loss is ridiculous, and people who complain because they cant take losing should stay away from this site and all gambling related sites as im afraid you are not cut out to gamble, all gambling will see you take some losses, its basic maths, you cant win them all. nobody has a crystal ball.
Warsaw pact was not a bet on the 11th according to my bot, im guessing hardick is running it in paper test mode, paper test will count it as a bet if the odds are there even for seconds and even if there are no people willing to match at those odds, betting for real is not like that asnd will only match if the odds are there because people are willing to match and not because they are there due to a trader etc requesting them. My bot in live betting mode did not get matched on WARSAW PACT, probably due to lack of liquidity or false odds but i can say with honesty it was not bet on by the bot and i have the rtransaction log from the bot to prove it.
Dave
I feel i must appologise to Jono for mentioning his name, the guy bought the system then made a complaint to paypal without even contacting me first saying he didnt like it as hed made a loss, and also didnt like high odds.
We have since sorted out the dissagreement since i made the comment, it turned out he was not using the system properly.
If anyone else needs help contact me first, i am here to help.
Jono is now saying he will say bad things about my service if i dont refund him because he is annoyed i mentioned his name in this forum.
Sorry Jono for mentioning your name, but there is nothing bad to say about my service, its on horseracingman because i asked them to review me and is therefore tranparent, please do not make threats.
Now, I have been discussed with Dave. There are some things I was doing the wrong things but everything is clear up now. So no more further comment.
Everything with his selections is fine as normal.
Thank you!
I personally think the bet on Warsaw Pact should be counted… not getting matched is dodging the bullet in my opinion if the odds where right at the 60 sec mark and the horse was not a favorite…
The loss on Capal Dubh Alainn before should be removed though… this horse was a favorite which is against the system as I mentioned above.
Ive actualy figured out why possibly warsaw pact wasnt matched, when i created the bot file it was joint second fave which means i wouldnt have included it as it was a not bet, but hardik didnt realise there was a bot file so made his own bot bets manualy. This explains it.
This means that any members using the bot would not have got warsaw pact as i didnt include it as at the time it was a no bet, therefore its not going on the bot results as it wasnt a bot bet.
However it was an SP bet so it will go on the SP results.
I dont provide results for people who just bet in the morning and dont use sp or the bot as i do not recommend using the system in this way and people that dont use sp or the bot will have completly different and unpredictable results to everyone due to the huge difference in odds throughout the day.
There are results for people who use the bot, and results for people who use sp.
CORRECTION, it was 2nd fave not joint second fave as there were 2 joint first faves at the time.
Dave
Hi,
odd was 9.0 for Warsaw Pact ,i guess people who dont use bot can be matched with either low or higher than 9 as it cant go higher than 11.5 or lower than 6.8. One more thing in the bot is i guess you select the option call “check odd once” which check odd only once so if it doesnt get matched bot doesnt place the bet but without bot i am sure it can be matched as everyone dont prefer to subscribe for the bot.
Hardik
Ok hardick, from now on i am not going to show any results from the bot, instead all bets will be shown to Betfair sp then noone can argue and everyone can get matched, this is the industry standard way of doing it so there is no confusion, all official results will be shown to betfair sp with a liability of 10 points from now on so there is no confusion.
This means warsaw pact will go on the results site aswell as any others that were in the odds and rules to bfsp, i can see no fairer way of doing it and i hope this makes everyone happy.
It will be updated when racingproofing.com update there results after that i will update daily when possible.
Dave
fantastic lay system 6.8 -11.8 why any something
in the long terms you must win about 0.02 from your fantastic guru.
1+1
Hi 800 —————–
ok
Quick update, you cant set min odds if you use betfair sp, which is now the recommended way of betting, so as you will see from the results page, we include ones ones below 6.8 aswell on the results, which are doing well so far.
Dave
Hi Dave,
Yea so basically i will have to work out all the selection. i will update soon.
Hardik
Why are we wasting time testing a system that shows a loss of 1,577 in the first two weeks of this month?
Hi Jon,
I agree with you. The author has changed the rules after i have started to test the system so basically whatever the results are here completely false, well i really dont mind to update all the results to BtefairSP but they are exactly same as on his website. so only thing i can say is their results and tipster is genuine but Laying odds are too high even past results are profitable still the risk is risk.
Hardik
Hi, yes i had no choice but to change the rules as people were complaining the odds were different, so i changed the rules to use betfair sp, thiswasa choice made basicaly because people were getting different odds, i change to betfair sp so noone can argue and i ca prove my honesty.
Also yes, if you choose to lay to high prices then obviously your losses are higher when youlose which all systems do, but also your winning runs are longer. This is a system for those that dont mind high risks and want to profit longterm and is not for those wanting easy money.
dave
Hmmmm……I think I would prefer the lower liability offered by systems such as Little Acorns and Fancy Fillies and grow my bank slowly and more safely.
If you want a high risk laying service, you don´t need to pay anything, just go to http://www.dailydonkey.co.uk and follow their FREE selections.
You might enjoy longer winning runs but when a losing bet grabs you, you may not have a bank left to recover, but then you will no doubt have enjoyed the thrill of watching that 10/1 shot romp home with your money on it!
You won´t make long term profits laying highly priced horses unless you have a bank of, say, 10.000 - 20.000 to cover liability and can lay every horse in the race as bookmakers do.
Jon
Thanks Jon, this is your opinion but the problem is, low liabilty has more winning horses, my bets are not long odds they only go to 11.8 but yes this is high for some peope, DO NOT compare me to daily donkey though please, that is a scam site that has never made any money and give’s odds that are bloody huge on betfair.
With my system you could get 30 losers in a row, then 2 romp home, but you only lose 20 points and most bets you will have made more than 1 point to sp so you still left with about 15 points profit.
With odds such as 4/1 etc you will be very lucky if you ever see 10 losers in a row and you are very likely to see 2 winners shortly after probably leaving you with about 5 points.
My point is odds are not important at all, the only thing of any importance is strike rate, just because you feel safe does not mean you win any more long term no do you win any faster, both have good and bad points, some people wont touch low ods with a barge pole as they cant get ahead, some wont touch high odds for fear of loss.
Im not saying my service is for everyone, but considering people are paying £50+ a month for services such as itslaytime, hottips4u, laybets.net etc etc and are very happy with them yet i only charge £35 for the system, it is a good buy with the same results making me the better buy, plus you make more than 0.95 points on most bets is you use betfair sp, i can name dozens of low liability systems that may have lower liabilitys but also have more winning selections which means although you may feel comfortable you are not making profits any faster and will be lucky to see any profit most months, some dont mind highish odds, some prefer low odds, its each to there own and im not trying to please everyone ans i am NOT saying high is better and can see your point but i NOTHING like daily donkey who have done no research and obviously havent tested a thing.
I run place lays and football lays for the people who want low odds, profit mountain is just for those that want high, and it can also be used in play to get low odds, AND you can use profit mountain as a place lay system also as the method is very close to the one i use for my place lays and sees good each way returns.
Also why would you need a big bank to lay at high odds, the size of your bank is meaningless, for any system, if you only have £200, bet £2, if you have £1000, bet £10, greed wil wipe your bank, but the size is neither here nor there aslong as you can manage it properly. i only have a few bets most days and you dont need to bet on every selectio i send as most are obviously likely to be no bets, 100 points is enougth.
Hope that explains why high odds are not bad, it all depends on your comfort zone, and the strike rate, and besides that i do have alternatives over at http://www.hoofbeater.com ,
dave
Hi Dave
Firstly, I did not mean to suggest that your service is similar to Daily Donkey. You make a fair point and at the end of the day it is all about personal betting styles and comfort zones.
I appreciate the points you make and would not challenge any of them except that the only way to successfully lay horses consistently is to do as bookmakers and lay them all.
I just get worried when I see a tial on this site that has made a paper loss (I hope so for Hradik’s sake) of almost -16 in the first two weeks of October.
Yes, I know all systems etc go through losing streaks, but I would prefer to work at finding weak favourites and keeping to a low liability, that’s all.
Cheers
Jon
Hi Jon, yes i also see your point,i wasnt having a go, there no right or wrong answer really with laying.
-16 might not look good but that was after 3 losers close together, but in under 60 bets were still 39 points up, compare this to dreamlays who use low odds and look at how many bets they have to place to acheive even 30 points (At times well over 200)and you will see there risk therefore is less per bet but they have a lot more bets making total risk pretty high.
Sorry for ranting on, i myself even prefer low odds at the end of the day, i just want to show high odds are not nessacarily a bad thing and can be an option.
One day someone will come up a low odds system that has few bets and a 90% strike rate aswell as at least 10 points every month then we will all be happy! ive nearly acheived this with my place lays but they suffer fron no bets a lot of the time so it takes ages to get ahead
Oh well, lets hope someone finds one soon!
Dave
Dave
Sounds to me as if you are talking about Fancy Fillies which you can find elsewhere on this site.
19/22 successful lays in October
7/8 successful lays in November
All low liability and just one selection per day.
I am not the system author but recommend you take a look.
Jon
Hi
Yes ive checked out fancy fillies before but that was in August when they had 15 winners and 13 losers so it put me off, i guess that must have just been a car crash of a month though and ill give it another chance.
One system that does do what i want is false favourites but i found it took absolutely ages to do and was a nightmare. Its a pity noone runs a tip service for it, the author should do as it is very good and scores higher than fancy filies on the geegeez blog BUT its confusing and not very precise, as in not everyone will come to same conclusion as to which horse the selections is, which lets it down.
Does anyone use this? And would they be willing to send out selections for a price, since the author wont theres no law against it and a goldmine for anyone that would.
Dave
Dave
Fancy Fillies did have a weak run in August that improved a bit in September. I started making the selection for the Fancy Filly member site at the end of September this year. :-))
In October we had successful 19 lays from 22 selections and this month to date we have had 7 successful lays from 8 selections.
Of course, this may not continue and every day when making the selection, I think “this run must end soon!”
Matt Bisogno’s GeeGeez blog actually scored Fancy Fillies at 9/10 see quote below:
” I highly recommend Fancy Fillies, and am awarding it a whopping 9/10 score. Only Racing Secrets Exposed, TrainerTrackStats (!), and Favourites Phenomenon have scored higher”.
As you say, the problem with False Favourites (an excellent book in my opinion) is the time factor. I couldn´t find a reference to False Favourites on the GeeGeez blog, though?
Cheers
Jon
hi again Jon, sorry i was looking at racing secrets exposed, which is to be honest a rewritten copy of false favourites, with basicaly the same info and system though false faves is cheaper with more info and more detail, i have no idea which came first but false faves is the better of the 2, and if racing secrets was rated highly so too would false faves be.
Only worrying thing is he has not updated results for a while.
Anyway i guess we should stop discussing other services on the comments page for my own lol.
Dave
Hi Jon, Dave,
I have tested Profitmountain for atleast 15 days and placed bet at 60 sec before and now Dave recomended to place at BetfairSP. so basically in this case everyone get the same selections and are already on the website and they are genuine.
In this case i am not going to carry on testing Profitmountain but i am still testing PlaceLays and will finish end of this month.
Hardik
cheers Hardick much appreciated.
Dave