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The owner of Punters Profits has given me the opportunity to test his tipster service since he is sure that we will like it. I find it very interesting since the results so far has been very very good and therefore we put it to the test to see if we will get the same results. Here you get all selections per email so it really can’t be much easier 
What is PuntersProfits?
I think the easiest thing is to let the owner describe the service so here you have a bit of information about Puntersprofits:
“At Punters Profits we pride ourselves on making consistent profits week in week out. You can expect to increase to your betting bank by 30% per month and quite often much more. There will be days where we don’t win but overall you will make excellent profits.
We provide you with a list of selections each day of with an average of 5 qualifying bets per day, these will be sent to you via email the night before the day’s races. The weekend selections may on occasions be sent on the same day as the races but we endeavour to get them to you by 1.00pm.
We set an upper odds limit of 6.0, this has proven over time to give a good strike rate and minimize losses when they occur.
The choice is yours whether you bet to a liability of 5% of your betting bank or level stake at 1%. Once you have decided which method you prefer, calculate your stake as follows:
Level Stakes = (betting bank / 100 = stake per bet)
Liability = (betting bank / 20 = liability per bet)
For example if you had £1000 as your betting bank you would stake £10 per bet level staking, or £50 per bet liability.
If you were to encounter losing bets initially which cause your bank to drop below its starting point, do not reduce your stakes, keep them at the same level, you are working to a percentage of your initial bank. You may decide to invest some / all of your profits into your bank if this is the case you can recalculate your percentage when you feel it is necessary. Some choose to double their stake when they double there bank, some choose to up the stakes every week / month.
Our results show that liability betting at 5% is more profitable than 1% level stakes but the ROI (return on investment) is less – in fact, according to our previous results, you would have made 68% more profit with liability but staked 90% more.
The time at which you place your bets is entirely up to you. If you choose to bet to liability, a very easy way to do this is to use Betfair SP and set the max odds to 6.0, this can be done at any time of the day. We place all of our lays within one minute of the official start time and those are the odds that we will record for our results sheet.”
Putting Punters profits to a test
I will test Puntersprofits for at least one month to see how it goes. I will be using Betfair SP in this test since everyone then will get the same results.
I really look forward to give a review on Punters Profits since it’s the first tipster service that we are testing.
Learn more about Punters Profits and download Puntersprofits here
UPDATE 17th November - Final review of Punters Profits
I have now tested Punters Profits for almost 2 months but have decided to stop now since it has just kept getting worse. My results are a little different since I have tested to Betfair SP while they use the odds 1 minute before race start.
I will put it in NOT RECOMMENDED since it has performed very very bad. It is a little funny that these systems which publish a lot of positive results before they went live always start to lose money when they get proofed. I could wish that they started to proof their selections to Racing-Index which will give them some positive notes from me
Another thing I don’t like is that they sometimes lay more than 1 horse in a race. I think it gives more value just to lay the worse horse in the race even though there maybe are 2 horses with a slim chance of winning. It is also very difficult to win in the long run with so many selections since it’s very important to get good value and there are not very many value lay bets each day. Generally speaking Lay systems with few selections gives a lot more profit than the ones with many selections.
On a positive note I have to say that the man behind Punters Profits has been very friendly and I’m sure you will get nice answers if you have any questions.
If they start to proof to racing-index then I will of course keep following this tipster and change the oppinion if results starts to go the right way.
The test of Puntersprofits (5% betfair commissions included and using Betfair SP)
1st October
Sandor odds 3.26 WE WON 95
Admirable duque odds 4.92 WE WON 95
Stevie Junior odds 1.62 WE LOST 62
3 no bets because odds was too high (all of them would have won us money)
2nd October
Savarin odds 1.96 WE LOST 96
wingwalker odds 2.06 WE WON 95
Main Aim odds 3.70 WE WON 95
Hits Only Wic odds 1.93 WE LOST 93
Almost Married odds 5.00 WE WON 95
3rd October
According to pete odds 3.15 we lost 215
Huntdown odds 5.70 we won 95
Regal flush odds 4.00 we won 95
Blow hole odds 4.70 we won 95
4th October
Liberation odds 3.57 we won 95
Postmaster odds 2.67 we won 95
Scuffle odds 4.00 we won 95
(4 no bets due to high odds - all would have won us money)
5th October
Anohter brother odds 3.50 we lost 250
(3 non runners and 3 runners with too high odds who all would have won us money)
6th October
Doncosaque odds 5.71 we won 95
Bouvardia odds 2.73 we won 95
(1 runner more had too high odds but would have won us money)
7th October
Another great day for this tipster service
Heliodor odds 4.20 we won 95
kheleyfs silver odds 5.80 we won 95
witchry odds 5.20 we won 95
Haajes odds 2.46 we lost 146
(1 non runner and 2 selections with too high odds. Both would have won us money)
8th October
Ogee odds 2.74 we won 95
Expresso star odds 3.95 we lost 295
Soprano odds 5.30 we won 95
9th October
It continues to build up the bank
Noverre to go odds 6 we won 95
Art trend odds 2.73 we won 95
Leading article odds 5.47 we won 95
Romping home odds 4.04 we won 95
(3 with too high odds - would all have won us money)
10th October
Factotum odds 4.10 we lost 310
(1 runner had too high odds - would have won us money)
11th October
Merchant of dubai odds 2.92 we lost 192
Alezeyab odds 3.25 we won 95
Tameer odds 4.19 we won 95
Kite wood odds 3.48 we lost 248
TOy gun odds 5.60 we won 95
Tara two hills odds 5.10 we lost 410
Eddie superstar odds 4.70 we won 95
St. trinians odds 5.80 we won 95
Spate river odds 5.30 we won 95
(1 too high odds would have won us money - 1 non runner)
12th October
No bets today
13th October
Damaniyat Girl odds 1.68 we lost 68
The Carlton cannes odds 4.20 we won 95
14th October
Ladino odds 4.77 we won 95
The bonus ball odds 3.04 we won 95
(1 bet with too high odds - would have won us money)
15th October
(4 with too high odds - ALL would have won us money)
16th October
No bets today.
17th October
2.20 Cheltenham - Paddleyourowncanoe (too high odds - we would have won)
2.35 Newmarket - Ra Junior odds 4.77 we won 95
2.35 Newmarket - Mastery odds 7.40 (too high odds - we would have won)
3.30 Cheltenham - Font odds 4.65 we loste 365
4.40 Cheltenham - Ruff Diamond odds 5.30 we won 95
4.40 Cheltenham - Nine Stories odds 3.69 we won 95
5.30 Newmarket - Greylami odds 6.82 (too high odds - we would have won)
6.20 Kempton - Misty Glade odds 25.53 (too high odds - we would have won)
6.50 Kempton - Aroundthebay odds 4.60 we lost 360
6.50 Kempton - Jordaura odds 4.30 we won 95
7.50 Kempton - Arabian Spirit (non runner)
18th October
2.40 Kelso - Pakineo des Pictons odds 6.03 (too high odds we would have won)
2.50 Cheltenham - Oh Crick odds 5.70 we won 95
3.00 Catterick - Via Mia (too high odds we would have won)
3.00 Catterick - Antigua Sunrise (too high odds we would have won)
4.00 Cheltenham - Strong Rebel (too high odds we would have won)
4.15 Kelso - Merrydown odds 7.60 (too high odds we would have won)
4.50 Kelso - Huckleberry we won 95
5.10 Cheltenham - Big Fella Thanks (non runner)
5.35 Newmarket - Veracity odds 3.93 we lost 293
5.45 Cheltenham - Eighteenfifty odds 4.50 we won 95
19th October
No bets today
20th October
2.20 Plumpton - Apache Dawn Odds 10.78 (too high - would have won us money)
4.00 Windsor - Jaadull odds 5.12 we won 95
4.00 Windsor - Higgy’s Boy (non runner)
4.10 Pontefract - Miss Serena odds 8.65 (too high - would have won us money)
21st October
2.40 Exeter - Shalone odds 2.44 we lost 144
3.40 Exeter - Spare Cash odds 9.11 (too high odds - would have won us money)
4.40 Exeter - Oracle des Mottes odds 5.60 we lost 460
22nd October
2.20 Southwell - Strong Coffee odds 1.39 we lost 39
3.50 Southwell - Star Lord odds 3.65 we lost 265
3.50 Southwell - Blue Dark odds 4.61 we won 95
4.30 Bath - Rutba odds 4.64 we lost 364
5.00 Bath - Mistress Eva odds 11.67 too high odds - would have won us money
8.20 Kempton - Otaared odds 2.96 we won 95
23rd October
3.05 Brighton - Rocker odds 5 we won 95
3.25 Ludlow - Three Lions odds 5.20 we won 95
3.45 Carlisle - Laertes odds 5.40 we won 95
4.30 Ludlow - Lough Rynn odds 3.15 we lost 215
24th October
2.05 Fakenham - Fire In Cairo Non runner
3.15 Fakenham - Little Al odds 4.31 we won 95
3.50 Fakenham - First Feerie odds 3.70 we lost 270
3.50 Fakenham - The Good Guy odds 5.30 we won 95
4.55 Fakenham - Leopold odds 3.94 we lost 294
5.25 Fakenham - Sweet Robinia Too high odds (would have won us money)
6.50 Wolverhampton - Without Prejudice odds 2.52 we won95
7.50 Wolverhampton - Recession Proof odds 6.20 (too high odds - would have won us money)
25th October
1.20 Chepstow - Tarablaze odds 4.26 we won 95
1.40 Newbury - Kings Destiny odds 2.86 we won 95
2.00 Stratford - The Hairy Mutt (too high odds - would have won us money)
2.10 Newbury - Nasri odds 4.95 we won 95
2.30 Stratford - Coconut Beach (too high odds - would have won us money)
2.40 Aintree - Nampour odds 3.59 we lost 259
4.25 Aintree - Hora odds 5.20 we lost 420
4.45 Doncaster - Sirocco Breeze odds 4 we won 95
4.50 Stratford - Ingratitude odds 4.39 we won 95
8.50 Wolverhampton - Anne of Kiev (too high odds - would have won us money)
26th October
No bets today
27th October
Son of the cat odds 2.87 we won 95
Falcative odds 2.43 we lost 143
Master rooney odds 4.38 we lost 338
28th October
Mister pete odds 7.20 (odds too high so no bets - would have won us money)
29th October
1.40 Nottingham - Advisor odds 5.35 we won 95
1.40 Nottingham - Jedi odds 4.83 we lost 383
6.50 Kempton - High Office no bet
7.20 Kempton - Silaah odds 5.20 we lost 420
7.50 Kempton - Film Set odds 1.80 we won 95
7.50 Kempton - Go Go Green odds 4.48 we won 95
8.50 Kempton - Lake Windermere odds 4.80 we won 95
30th October
1.10 Lingfield - Josr’s Magic odds 5.50 we won 95
2.00 Newcastle - Broadway Star odds 3.11 we won 95
2.00 Newcastle - Waterloo Road odds 4.54 we lost 354
2.50 Stratford - Terramarique no bet
2.50 Stratford - Earcomesannie no bet too high odds - would have won us money
3.10 Lingfield - Storyland odds 5.10 we won 95
3.40 Lingfield - Noble Citizen odds 3.35 we won 95
31st October
2.10 Wetherby - Ruff Diamond odds 4.50 we won 95
2.10 Wetherby - Resounding Glory too high odds (6.21) would have lost us money
2.25 Newmarket - Critical Acclaim too high odds - would have won us money
2.45 Wetherby - Frankie Figg odds 4.28 we won 95
3.00 Newmarket - Palace Moon odds 6.79 (too high odds would have won us money)
3.10 Uttoxeter - Luccombe Bay odds 14.50 (too high odds- would have lost us money)
3.20 Wetherby - Border Reiver odds 4.20 we lost 320
3.35 Newmarket - Gala Evening too high odds would have won us money
3.55 Wetherby - King’s Majesty odds 3.07 we won 95
6.50 Wolverhampton - Celtic Rebel too high odds would have won us money
9.20 Wolverhampton - Kyllachy Storm odds 4.80 we won 95
TOTAL LOSS FOR OCTOBER -1916
1st November
12.55 Newmarket - Ouster odds 2.25 we won 95
1.25 Ayr - Wind Shuffle odds 4.60 we won 95
1.25 Ayr - Kingsdale Orion odds 4.05 we won 95
1.30 Newmarket - Hurricane Harriet too high odds 7.03 would have won us money
1.50 Wetherby - Bow School odds 3.15 we won 95
3.00 Wetherby - Mobaasher odds 4.70 we won 95
3.00 Wetherby - Liberate odds 4.50 we won 95
3.10 Ayr - Grissom too high odds 9.40 would have won us money
3.20 Newmarket - Lease of Life odds 4.96 we won 95
3.45 Ayr - Distant Pleasure odds 4.12 we won 95
2nd November NO BETS TODAY
3rd November
1.30 Plumpton - Kerayasi odds 4.45 we won 95
1.40 Warwick - Mr Tee Pee odds 5.20 we won 95
2.00 Plumpton - Alderluck odds 5.93 we lost 493
3.40 Warwick - Blunham Hill odds 6 we won 95
3.50 Wolverhampton - Aussie Blue odds 6.60 too high odds would have won us money
4.20 Wolverhampton - Satwa Street odds 5.70 we won 95
4th November
2.30 Southwell - Harlech Castle odds 11.50 would have won us money
2.30 Southwell - Irish Pearl odds 9.20 would have lost us money
3.10 Exeter - Greenbridge no bet
4.00 Southwell - My Mate Mal odds 5.87 we won 95
5th November
1.50 Hexham - Black Mogul odds 5.30 we won 95
2.20 Hexham - Mill Side no bet
4.00 Musselburgh - Faithful Ruler odds 5.50 we won 95
6.20 Wolverhampton - Siren Sound odds 4.30 we won 95
7.20 Wolverhampton - Storming Sioux odds 3.65 we won 95
8th November
1.10 Wincanton - Oracle des Mottes odds 4.50 we lost 350
1.30 Doncaster - Harry Patch odds 5.70 we lost 470
1.45 Wincanton - Lamanver Homerun odds 4.50 we won 95
2.10 Kelso - Getinbybutonlyjust too high odds 7 would have won us money
2.20 Wincanton - Ring The Boss odds 4.90 we won 95
2.20 Wincanton - Sir Harry Ormesher odds 7.73 too high odds would have won us money
2.35 Doncaster - Chief Editor odds 7.86 too high odds would have won us money
3.25 Wincanton - Leading Attraction odds 4.40 we won 95
8.20 Wolverhampton - Kannon no results yet
9.20 Wolverhampton - Hold The Gold no results yet
10th November
12.40 Southwell - Shifting Gold too high odds - would have won us money
1.45 Southwell - Captain Kallis too high odds (7) would have lost us money
1.55 Carlisle - Tot O’Whiskey odds 2.52 we won 95
2.15 Southwell - Captain Cavendish odds 5.20 we won 95
2.15 Southwell - Kladester odds 4.30 we lost 330
3.20 Southwell - Dart odds 3.95 we lost 295
4.40 Wolverhampton - Jawaab odds 5.40 we won 95
11th November
2.00 Lingfield - In Vino odds 7.76 too high no bet - would have won us money
2.40 Exeter - Nevada Royale odds 1.85 we lost 85
3.00 Lingfield - Honours Dream odds 4.40 we won 95
3.10 Exeter - I Hear A Symphony odds 4.40 we lost 340
3.40 Exeter - Folie A Deux odds 3.15 we lost 215
12th November
12.30 Kempton - You’re The Top odds 6.86 - too high so no bet would have won us money
1.05 Kempton - Tataniano odds 1.66 we won 95
2.15 Kempton - Duc De Regniere odds 4.31 we lost 331
2.15 Kempton - Ringaroses odds 11.03 no bet odds too high - would have won us money
2.50 Kempton - I’msingingtheblues odds 1.89 we won 95
3.10 Bangor - Grizebeck odds 3.60 we lost 260
13th November
The nightmare continues!! This could maybe be a good backing system
2.00 Ludlow - Go For One odds 3.81 we lost 281
2.50 Lingfield - Jadaara odds 3.87 we won 95
3.30 Ludlow - Awesome George odds 3.84 we lost 284
14th November
2.00 Newcastle - Hall Of Flame odds 5.80 we won 95
2.00 Newcastle - Particle too high odds
7.20 Kempton - Yirga odds 3.61 we won 95
8.20 Kempton - Commander Cave odds 4.40 we lost 340
8.20 Kempton - Multakka odds 3.48 we won 95
15th November
12.40 Wetherby - Dancing Marabout odds 5.40 we won 95
12.50 Cheltenham - R De Rien Sivola odds 6.20 too high
1.15 Wetherby - Morenito odds 9.43 too high
1.25 Cheltenham - West End Rocker odds 3.25 we won 95
2.10 Uttoxeter - Youngstown odds 7.16 too high
3.10 Cheltenham - Pride of Dulcote odds 5.10 we won 95
7.20 Wolverhampton - Saucy odds 7.01 too high
9.20 Wolverhampton - Bishopbriggs non runner
17th November
2.10 Kempton - Valdan too high odds so no bet
2.20 Leicester - Kalahari King odds 2.46 we lost 146
4.00 Wolverhampton - Arganil odds 3.76 we lost 276
Total Profit / Loss - Level stakes 100 per lay: -2763
This test will be performed by me
I will back test to the recommended staking plans when I’m finished with the test. Right now we just do level stakes sine that is the easiest
But so far 2 good days.
I am on this as well (started 2nd October). However, the two losing horses I only managed to lay at 2.17 and 2.30. Betfair SP only seems to allow you to set Liability and not level stakes.
Any advice on getting better prices?
Many thanks
Hi Simon,
It’s true that Betfair SP only allows you to place liability bets. However, sometime you will experience that you get better prices than SP and other times the other way around. In the long run it should even out.
I just run the test with level stakes at Betfair SP since it’s the easiest way to test it where everyone can get the same odds. I’m not parting with any money yet.
I will make a calculation to the different staking plans recommended when test is over
Good luck with it
I’ve been checking Punters profits website and your results do mirror their selections; although yesterday they have shown Torpichen as a losing bet, was this one missed?
Ken=> I do the test to Betfair SP while Puntersprofits make their results based on the odds 60secs before the race.
I can see that Torpichen had a regular SP of 4.00 but the Betfair SP was 6.80 (a whooping 84% over SP odds). I believe that the result on their website is correct, but I do the test to betfair SP so it was a no bet for me
Gentlemen, don’t check Punters Profits’ website for results, just go to Racing-Index.com. They may be in profit in October, but since proofing to Racing-Index in mid-May to the end of September they were down a lazy 75 points - NO PROFIT! If you proceed to subscribe to a tipping service based on their results posted on their website, then (ah well) you have no one else to blame but yourself if things go pear shape.
Buck=> It looks like they include more bets on their proofing at racing-index than the ones in their main system. It can be that they include the bonus bets, which I’m not testing. If you compare the selections I receive from them (the main system) you can see that it’s not the same system, and therefore we can’t use racing index to very much, other than conclude that they also can lose us money if they actually advised these bets.
Hope the owner of the service will clarify the difference, and why he has decided to post more runners to racing-index????
Hi there
I have noticed the comments regarding our results on Racing Index so i just thought i’d write a quick note to explain things.
Firstly we started proofing to RI before they introduced Betfair SP as an option. They decided to bring it in and although I thought it a good idea at the time I didn’t realise the mess it would cause.
When it was starting to be used, a tipster could only use standard SP to proof BUT Betfair SP was being used to calculate P / L. This meant that some selections that were over 6.0 (which is our cut off) were still only 5/1 SP. The results therefore became very inaccurate as we were having losing selections at odds of 9.0+ which of course would be a non-qualifier. Within a few weeks we were 20pts+ lower than we should have been.
I contacted RI but they couldn’t rectify it so from then on I didn’t consider it a fair representation of our service.
We now proof all of selections to RI now with no odds cut off but we still advise a cut off of 6.0 to our subscribers.
We do now also include our bonus plan too. This is a new system that is in its early stages so we have invited our subscribers to follow them with us but only to paper trade or use very small stakes until they get a feel for them.
I also have a few concerns with Betfair SP as I have seen that they have at times been a lot higher than the price that was being traded at the final stages before the off.
I will keep an eye on things and try and answer any questions here but you can always get in touch with me via the contact on the website. I answer all emails personally within 24hrs.
Many thanks
Daniel
Punters Profits
Ive been with Punters Profits for a while now and the Racing Index query was pressed on elsewhere on the web. The reason being that RI proof all results and will not set a cap level. In PPs case it is 6.0 yet RI list every selection therefore the Racing Index figures are well & truly incorrect.
I am led to believe that their results are gathered daily via BetbotPro and all qualifying selections are bet on around 1min or 20secs before the off time.
I myself use BBP at 20secs and my results invariably mirror those that PP post on their sheet give or take a tick.
Its an honest & reliable service from Daniel & Stonkin (whoever he is).
As for the Bonus bets, they are something else they have followed over a period of time & then decided to share them with subscribers. Sods law took hold soon after but overall profits are good. Up to today anyway!
Thats my view on PP.
thanks
Jim
There is a mistake in results for 23nd October at 3.05 Brighton. Rocker finished second so it’s not a lost bet..
Daniel=> Sorry my mistake
Now it should be right 
Thanks for looking after me hehe
I dont know where the loss of 1579 has come from……….i followed every selection under the recommended odds limit and finished the month £80 down @ £100 stakes.
I was thinking the same thing Jim.
Even using BFSP shouldn’t make that much difference.
Hi Jim,
Admin is testing using BetfairSP not exactly same as Puntersprofit shows. Their results are also genuine but you get different picture when you place at BetfairSP. There sre few selections won (horse loss) at odds of 6.0 but only if u place bet 60 sec before the off where as they might be not even max odd range of 6 at BetfairSP and admin couldnt get those selections as he is testing at BetfairSP. I am also following Puntersprofit selections from last 1 month and i do get the same selections as Punterprofits website with same odds.
Hardik