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		<title>By: Tipster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sure2Profit calculator sales page has transformed itself into something now called LAY BETTOR PRO.  Same old sales pitch, and they even using the same Betfair account screenshot which they used for the Sure2Profit Calculator.
John Anthony, if that&#039;s his real name, must have utter contempt for gamblers.  Don&#039;t believe the crap about him being a horse racing expert. The only people saying he&#039;s an expert are those getting commission on sales from Clickbank, and John himself when publishes articles to promote his rubbish.
John, if I&#039;m wrong, then prove it.  Let&#039;s see some independent proof to support your claims for profitability for the rubbish you sell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sure2Profit calculator sales page has transformed itself into something now called LAY BETTOR PRO.  Same old sales pitch, and they even using the same <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> account screenshot which they used for the Sure2Profit Calculator.<br />
John Anthony, if that&#8217;s his real name, must have utter contempt for gamblers.  Don&#8217;t believe the crap about him being a horse racing expert. The only people saying he&#8217;s an expert are those getting commission on sales from Clickbank, and John himself when publishes articles to promote his rubbish.<br />
John, if I&#8217;m wrong, then prove it.  Let&#8217;s see some independent proof to support your claims for profitability for the rubbish you sell?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/laysoftwarecom-review-and-horse-racing-softwareorg-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This software is from SCAM and CON man who runs Sure2Profit.co how they are still going god knows. They use there backing selections and lay them with this software and the selections are still crap. Stay away or you will lose your bank, they post false results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This software is from SCAM and CON man who runs Sure2Profit.co how they are still going god knows. They use there backing selections and lay them with this software and the selections are still crap. Stay away or you will lose your bank, they post false results.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to honest I ould be very concerned handing over my log in details for betfair just asking for problems. Think Ill give this one a miss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to honest I ould be very concerned handing over my log in details for <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >betfair</a> just asking for problems. Think Ill give this one a miss!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen=&gt; As always nice to hear it from an &quot;insider&quot; :-) Thanks for your contributions - keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen=> As always nice to hear it from an &#8220;insider&#8221; <img src='http://www.horseracingman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for your contributions &#8211; keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I have no experience with them, I do know Betfairs stance on server
based bots, they are basically not allowed.

I looked into it a while ago, as I was considering writing one for the
convenience of customers, they told me straight, they would never allow it.

I did clarify the situation with them a few days ago to see if they had
changed their terms and conditions on the matter as there are quite a few
systems that operate based on servers. The services that immediately spring
to mind are

www.125bets.eu
www.autolays.co.uk
www.thelifesystem.co.uk

They said their stance has not changed, and they would not license such a
system. Getting an application through Betfair approval is a nightmare, they
are extremely strict (for obvious reasons) with storage of usernames and
passwords (a bot is NOT allowed to store a password, even if it&#039;s
encrypted). They inspect all of the important source code of the bot to make
sure nothing could hack the application to steal passwords, etc.

I would imagine that these server based bots are using the free api to place
bets, which doesn&#039;t need approval.

I have heard a rumour that Betfair are on the lookout for large numbers of users
betting from the same IP address, and have limited accounts based on this (this is hearsay, I have no proof of this).

It all seems very risky to me, it would be a hackers dream to get into one
of these servers and steal usernames and passwords. Now whilst they couldn&#039;t
directly withdraw money from someone else&#039;s account into their own, there
are ways of transferring money to another account. Find a quiet market,
offer a bet @ 1000/1 on the stolen account, then take the bet on their own
account. Your money could be gone before anyone realised.

Now I&#039;m sure these services will say they are totally secure, but your only
taking their word for it at the end of the day. There is no approvals
process, as Betfair would not approve it anyway. If one of these databases
did get hacked, and users lost their money, Betfair are not going to do much
about it.

Out of interest, if anyone is using one of these services, is the login screen to get to your account over https (secure padlock) or standard http. You can look at the url in your browser to see if it&#039;s secure. There should also be a little padlock symbol shown in the status bar of your browser.

Even if it is a secure connection (a step in the right direction), this still does not stop the people who run the account from getting hacked.

Glen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I have no experience with them, I do know Betfairs stance on server<br />
based bots, they are basically not allowed.</p>
<p>I looked into it a while ago, as I was considering writing one for the<br />
convenience of customers, they told me straight, they would never allow it.</p>
<p>I did clarify the situation with them a few days ago to see if they had<br />
changed their terms and conditions on the matter as there are quite a few<br />
systems that operate based on servers. The services that immediately spring<br />
to mind are</p>
<p><a href="http://www.125bets.eu" rel="nofollow">http://www.125bets.eu</a><br />
<a href="http://www.autolays.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.autolays.co.uk</a><br />
<a href="http://www.thelifesystem.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelifesystem.co.uk</a></p>
<p>They said their stance has not changed, and they would not license such a<br />
system. Getting an application through <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> approval is a nightmare, they<br />
are extremely strict (for obvious reasons) with storage of usernames and<br />
passwords (a bot is NOT allowed to store a password, even if it&#8217;s<br />
encrypted). They inspect all of the important source code of the bot to make<br />
sure nothing could hack the application to steal passwords, etc.</p>
<p>I would imagine that these server based bots are using the free api to place<br />
bets, which doesn&#8217;t need approval.</p>
<p>I have heard a rumour that <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-in" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> are on the lookout for large numbers of users<br />
betting from the same IP address, and have limited accounts based on this (this is hearsay, I have no proof of this).</p>
<p>It all seems very risky to me, it would be a hackers dream to get into one<br />
of these servers and steal usernames and passwords. Now whilst they couldn&#8217;t<br />
directly withdraw money from someone else&#8217;s account into their own, there<br />
are ways of transferring money to another account. Find a quiet market,<br />
offer a bet @ 1000/1 on the stolen account, then take the bet on their own<br />
account. Your money could be gone before anyone realised.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m sure these services will say they are totally secure, but your only<br />
taking their word for it at the end of the day. There is no approvals<br />
process, as <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-king" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> would not approve it anyway. If one of these databases<br />
did get hacked, and users lost their money, <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-millionaire" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> are not going to do much<br />
about it.</p>
<p>Out of interest, if anyone is using one of these services, is the login screen to get to your account over https (secure padlock) or standard http. You can look at the url in your browser to see if it&#8217;s secure. There should also be a little padlock symbol shown in the status bar of your browser.</p>
<p>Even if it is a secure connection (a step in the right direction), this still does not stop the people who run the account from getting hacked.</p>
<p>Glen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the comments above worries me a great deal. The writer invested in a LAYING system that then proceeded to BACK the selections? The bot was looking at the Betfair account at 4.00 am? 

My advice: Take your winnings and change your Betfair password immediately then cancel the subscription. In that order!

Glen wrote a worrying comment about these types of bots which can be seen under The Life System Review Comment 147. Glen knows what he is talking about as he writes bots for systems used with Betfair.

Be warned!

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the comments above worries me a great deal. The writer invested in a LAYING system that then proceeded to BACK the selections? The bot was looking at the <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> account at 4.00 am? </p>
<p>My advice: Take your winnings and change your <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-in" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> password immediately then cancel the subscription. In that order!</p>
<p>Glen wrote a worrying comment about these types of bots which can be seen under <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/thelifesystem" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >The Life System</a> Review Comment 147. Glen knows what he is talking about as he writes bots for systems used with <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-king" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a>.</p>
<p>Be warned!</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admin

Don&#039;t waste your time with this one. It is run by Horse Racing Software / Sure2Profit and has had poor reviews elsewhere.

See: 

http://www.bettingsystemreviews.co.uk/laysoftwaredotcom.htm

Jon</description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t waste your time with this one. It is run by Horse Racing Software / Sure2Profit and has had poor reviews elsewhere.</p>
<p>See: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bettingsystemreviews.co.uk/laysoftwaredotcom.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bettingsystemreviews.co.uk/laysoftwaredotcom.htm</a></p>
<p>Jon</p>
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