30 Responses to “Hoofbeater Place Lays Review”

1. admin on October 2nd, 2008 1:23 pm

   This test will be performed by Hardik

2. Dave on October 6th, 2008 1:51 am

   Just to add, the selections ARE independently proofed to secretbettingclub.com, who also own racingproofing.com, currently though there are no proofing sites with the ability to proof to betfair sp in the place market because the greedy people at betfair are more interested in there high commission rates and how much they can make than actualy providing results of there own odds, they have a way of checking the sp for the win market but not for the place market so its hard to show any results unless the proofing site is willing to monitor the prices manualy or invest in software.
   racingproofing.com are looking in to a way of proofing the place market though, and they also are proofing my profitmountain results but there not up on the site yet as it updates every so many days, 14 i think, but an email to them will confirm they proof and recieve selections for both my services.

   Dave
   owner of hoofbeater.com and all works on the site.

   Dave

3. Dave on October 6th, 2008 1:55 am

   Also just need to point out there are 2 ways of betting with the hoofbeater lays, you can bet up to odds of 4.2 or just up to 3.5, i recommend the 3.5 method, less bets less risk but higher yield and roi, e.g the only loser so far i No great love but this was a no bet if just betting up to odds of 3.5

   Dave

4. Hardik on October 6th, 2008 9:03 am

   Hi Dave,

   I will split the selections in 2 ways same as ur aite. Will update soon.

   Hardik

5. Dave on October 6th, 2008 8:43 pm

   Thanks hardick, make sure you run the bot twice for the test, one set to 3.5 one set to 4.2, the reason was explained in the email i sent earlier.

   Dave

6. Hardik on October 7th, 2008 9:18 pm

   Hi Dave,

   Yea no problem i will update soon.

   Hardik

7. Fernie on October 17th, 2008 12:26 am

   Hi Guys, I’m new to the site, but really like it and it’s been very helpful so far. It would be great if you could keep the results updated Hardik as I am a new subscriber with Dave and just wanted to check your actual bets against mine.

   Cheers

   Fernie

8. Hardik on October 17th, 2008 9:53 pm

   Hi Fernie,

   I really appreciate ur comment and try my best to update everyday.

   Hardik

9. Kevin on October 27th, 2008 7:40 pm

   Why no selections for the last 11 days?

10. Lasse Joergensen on October 27th, 2008 9:45 pm

    I would like to mention to everyone that this service have been running untill start april this year and then was ended, because of bad results. I was a member for 3 months, with no big results, so maybe he have improved the results since then??? here are the mail i got from them in april this year.

    “Hi Lasse.

    ive decided to end the service as its just not worth it and i cant see the below 3 selections making more than 40 points a year anyway at best.

    I will of course refund this months payment you made a.s.a.p, but it may take a while as i have to top up my paypal account first as it wont let me refund straight from my bank i dont think, i will try later.

    Sory for any time wasted.

    Best of luck”

    So please Dave, could you please tell me why I should trust you and your service one more time? I find it a bit difficult, when i still haven’t recieved my April subcrition payment back from you.

11. Hardik on October 28th, 2008 1:05 am

    Hi Kevin,

    I am sure that there is no selection from last 11 days, i am runign Greyhorsebot to test and settigs are recommended by author but even author also couldn’t get any selections so far so i am sure that my Bot settings are perfect.

    Hardik

12. Hardik on October 28th, 2008 1:11 am

    Hi Lasse,

    Thanks for ur comment, we don’t have any selection from last 11 days so if you don’t get any selection for more than 10 days and pay for 1 month subscription and still in loss.

    Hardik

13. Dave on October 29th, 2008 5:21 pm

    There have been selections but noone using the bot has got them, this is because we switched from manual to auto, but kept the “all conditions must be met” box ticked, which means that the bot did not place any bets as it would only place a bet if every single ticked horse was within the odds, which is impossible.
    this means that nobody knows what the profits/losses are unless they were not using the bot and betting before the off.

    does anyone who bets before the off have any results?

    also sorry hardic but because of this monumental error this month isnt very good for testing, since weve missed most of the selections, so would you consider proofing next months aswell, also this month we didnt have a way to stop it betting on 1st and 2nd faves but we now do, another reason this month is no good for the testing period. this month is prety much messed up to be honest.

    dave

14. Dave on October 29th, 2008 5:31 pm

    Also it was clearly explained in the homepage that when we started in march it was a live test, and the servce was ended as the live test did not go to plan as we couldnt get matched on enougth bets, at that time it was run by my freind phil, I have no idea why anyone signed up if anyone did as it was simply a test of the theory, people were given the seletios for free for a month and advises it was a test, but some people still subscribed to secure a place.

    i have also been reviewed in SBC magazine, and i also told them quite clearly about the failed past test, which they mentioned, so this isnt any sort of cover up lol and was all completely transparent, since the curent live test has passed with flying colours i have now updated the homepage.

    also all members now get the bets for my profit mountain system, my backin system and my newly added football lays, all for £20 a month. All of which have been sent to horseracing man. At the start we were just backing the footy selections but during testing we decided to lay the opposing team as its far nore profitable.

    Dave

15. Dave on October 29th, 2008 5:35 pm

    P. Lase has been offered his refund, as i say it was run by phil not myself way back then, so i wasnt aware of any pending refund as he dealt with the paypal account and emails not me. I just set it all up and helped with the selection process. i now run everything on my own.

    Dave

16. Hardik on October 29th, 2008 11:23 pm

    Hi Dave,

    I belive you that your service is honest as i have already mention in earlier posts. i will have to check if possible than i can test it for 1 more month. I will be away for few days and might have to stop the test which i wudnt like to do so trying to get proper time.

    Hardik

17. Lasse Joergensen on November 9th, 2008 1:09 pm

    I would like to tell all of you that Dave have refunded my pending amount from last time i was using the selectios from hoofbeater ( phil’s selection) but the results allready seems much better now then Dave is running the business.

18. admin on November 9th, 2008 3:35 pm

    Hi Hardik

    Has there been no bets in november?

19. hardik on November 9th, 2008 11:13 pm

    Hi Admin,

    all the November month results are updated now. sorry for delay.

    Hardik

20. Dave on November 11th, 2008 5:52 pm

    Hi Hardick, im now proofing to tippingleague.co.uk, to odds 60 mins before the off NOT 60secs, if you wait until 60 secs you miss out on selections as the odds are forced up by traders , other users of other systems etc etc, so we are now using 60 mins not secs.
    Also because that is the latest time tippingleague use.
    i only mentin this because you have no selections for some days that there have been , and i guess its because you are using the bot 60 secs still and not 60 mins, if you could change to 60 mins from now on so that they match the results on my site it would be better otherwise people will get confused and think your results are wrong as they are different to the proofed one.
    its optional when people bet, but even 10 mins can make a huge difference on the exchanges so for the purpose of consistency please use 60 mins, as youve missed 2 winning selections.

    Also use “check odds only once” so it doesnt keep searching, i dont trust odds right before anymore as theres too many traders and such at work that time which totay screws the odds up.

    Dave

    Liquidity is alright 60 mins before also.

21. Hardik on November 11th, 2008 9:49 pm

    Hi Dave,

    Yes i was using 60 secs odd. i can confirm that thats never been updated to 60 mins not by email or not even in ur website.

    One more thing if you read ur own post no 13 over here, you didnt recommende to tick “all condition must be met” option also not updated in ur website and not even in ur daily email.

    I am sure everyone get different results if you place bet 60 mins before, but before you change any settings everyone or atleast myself sud be notify by email or you could update in to ur website upder Greyhorsebot settings instruction.

    I am also confirming that if your all selection since 1st November placed at 60 mins and mine placed at 60 sec but afterall we both are making same loss.

    if you have updated to 60 mins than i am sure that you also will have to change all previous results on ur website as they could give either more Profit or Loss.

    Hardik

22. Dave on November 13th, 2008 1:17 am

    Hi Hardick,

    it was updated by email and explained in detail that its up to people when they bet but from now on all results will be based on 60 mins not seconds. I also put a note on the results page.

    The service is no longer based on the bot, its now optional so there was no need to mention about the “check odds only once” option and besides anyone that bought the bot will have gotten instructions with it and would know that if they dont tick it it will keep betting, so if they chose the option to bet 60 mins before they would also know to tick it. if they didnt choose they option, then they wouldnt tick it.

    But yes i should have mentioned it for those that want to use the option incase they didnt realise, so my appologies.

    And no, there is no need at all to change results on the website, because ..

    A Its optional when you bet, everyone is different.

    B Its impossible as i cant travel back in time to see the odds.

    C Ive put a note on the results that explains it used to be 60secs but is now 6o mins so none has any reason to complain.

    D Whether its more profit or loss it doesnt really matter because either way those bets were sent out as 60 second bets so changing them would be unfair and also the difference would not be much either way. I feel that betting at this time will improve things, so im changing, but i wont mess with past results there is no point and its not a rule its an option so its unimportant, but if you want to get results somewhat the same as on the sheet you now have to bet 60mins.

    There is no need for you to change the options hardick its up to you but i thought it would be a good idea for the sake of consistency which is why i mentioned it, i wasnt complaining just pointing it out.

    There is not one laying service in existence and nor will there ever be one that all members get the same results UNLESS they all bet to betfair SP, because even if they all bet at the same second not all would get matched, and many would still have different odd. Never take the results from for any lay service on this earth literaly, just take them as guide to what is possibele and remember odds may vary for every member and so may results if based on odds, thats life unfortunatly.

    Dave

23. Dave on November 13th, 2008 1:33 am

    The email was sent out on the 6th, in the same email that explained about the bot file, and i know you got it because you replyed to it the day after with a non related question, so perhaps you overlooked it, but just to confirm it was the email with the selections for the 6th Nov.

    Dave

24. Hardik on November 13th, 2008 11:12 pm

    Hi Dave,

    yes i agree, it is my mistake i didn’t read everything and just concentrate on the selections. i apologies for that.

    for anyone who wants to see the email received from Hoofbeater is below,

    ” Hi all, Selections below….

    Also you should all know by now that I’m proofing to tippingleague.

    Tippingleague show odds 60 mins before the race, not 60 secs, so from now on I too will be showing results to 60 mins not seconds.

    This avoids any confusion at all over odds, and also proves my honesty, and it also stops anyone from thinking I fake the results in any way, people seem to think they are too good to be true lol, one of the reasons I now proof.

    There is nothing stopping anyone from betting whenever they like whether its 60 secs or 60 mins or 5 mins or whatever it’s up to you!

    Also regarding bot files, I no longer have any use for the bot as I’m able to bet manually now since im currently out of the rat race so I won’t be renewing my subscription, this means that I won’t be sending out a bot file, but if you were just using the bot to test the selections you no longer need too as you can look at the proofed results. If you were using it to bet it still does not matter as it only takes 2 minutes or less to put them in to the bot yourself so you just need to get up 2 minutes earlier, the file was for lazy people to be honest and a bonus ”

    well dave than in this case maybe my results are still valid as its upto people when they wants to place bet still compare with tipingleague results i will change it to 60 mins from tomorrow.

    about honesty than i have already proved ur honesty in earliar posts.

    Hardik

25. Dave on November 14th, 2008 5:18 am

    Thanks Hardick, and yes your right results are still valid as its optional, i just thought t may confuse people that all.

    Its a pity we cant have more selections, its a very slow system and not for everyone

    On a good note though, the footy bets do quite well (see site for details) and if anyones interested just email me from the hoofbeater.com website and you will get them for free, probably until January, and then they will get a site of there own if all is well.

    Dave

26. Dave on November 30th, 2008 9:16 pm

    Im now just recording odds up to 3.5. 4.2 bets were very slow and you had to place a lot of bets, 3.5 bets are rare but the ROI is very large, id rather place less bets and get a tiny bit less profit than have to place a lot more bets for minimal returns.
    3.5 has always been the recommended way so im just going to show 3.5 from now on.

    Anyone that still wants to see how well they do to higher odds can simply look at the results on tippingleague, were i proof every bet regardless of odds.

    Dave

27. Dave on December 1st, 2008 6:56 am

    Hardick, just wondering if you did change to odds 60 mins before or if you stuck to 60 secs. no problem if you didnt, but if you did youve got all wrong selections.

    starbougg on the 14th was a no bet for the 3.5 system as odds were 4. Summer winds was the only selection and did not place.

    On the 15th Realism was a selection and did not place, but youve not put it down.

    Also one yesterday.

    Please note i now proof to tipping league well in advance so you can veiw all odds on there, there is no need for you to even run the bot anymore you can test it without doing anything just by going to tippingleague.co.uk and veiwing the tripleD selections, it will save you a job.

    Now that i do this anyone can monitor the bets without a trial.

    60 mins seems to be the way to go as there are less traders messing with the odds and you avoid sudden unrealistic drops and rises in odds that you get right before due to the crazy people that think it will win just because it looks good walking to the stalls and the countless other reasons the odds shoot up, and down , for no apparent reason and show no resemblance to the odds they have been most of the day.
    Its not uncommon for a horses odds to change by 3 ticks in the last five minutes for no apparent viable reason. I think using 60mins will prove to be a lot more consistent, but it is optional at the end of the day.

    Sorry for rambling

    Dave

28. admin on December 1st, 2008 12:31 pm

    Hardik will update the results when he comes back from honeymoon

29. Dave on December 1st, 2008 8:52 pm

    No problem, hope he has a good time, congratulations Hardick!

30. Jon on January 4th, 2009 10:23 pm

    Has the Hoofbeater test finished?

    No results updated since mid November. Hardik must be on a long honeymoon!!

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