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		<title>By: Neilm</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/betting-salvation-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5849</link>
		<dc:creator>Neilm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you wrote: &#039;I think Neil M, should say sorry to Admin otherwise not to come back here again and can waste hes money and time on these systems, after a silly comment of hes.(sic)&#039;

Well, old chap, my original post appeared here for several hours and was available for all to see, albeit flagged with the message &#039;awaiting moderation&#039;.  Subsequently it disappeared.  Now, it may have seemed &#039;silly&#039; to you for me to assume that it had therefore been deleted by admin, but after investing considerable time in putting it together it hardly seemed unreasonable to feel a little cheesed off to find it apparently censored.  If that is &#039;silly&#039;, then I must be silly.

I have no idea what your point is regarding the suggestion that &#039;he can waste hes money and time on these systems&#039;.  It is entirely because people like me are prepared to do this and put these things to the test that we can weed out the useless stuff and highlight the very few worthwhile systems.  Personally I find that there are occasionally elements in some systems which have some merit, even if the system itself is not completely viable.  By putting together snippets of such information I have managed to make my betting moderately profitable after years of banging my head against the wall.  Nowadays I only buy Clickbank products in light of their solid refund policy. So, David, if it&#039;s all the same to you, I&#039;ll continue to &#039;waste&#039; my time (though definitely not my money), and in the process continue to further my education.  

As for apologising to admin, yes I agree that an apology is merited, though I shall do so of my own volition and not because you told me to.  This was a simple misunderstanding and nothing more. Re. not posting here again... well, my original post certainly wasn&#039;t done with a view to any kind of personal gain; it didn&#039;t benefit me in the slightest.  I did hope, though, that it might lend considerable weight to the opinion  that Betting Salvation is something to avoid like the plague.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you wrote: &#8216;I think Neil M, should say sorry to Admin otherwise not to come back here again and can waste hes money and time on these systems, after a silly comment of hes.(sic)&#8217;</p>
<p>Well, old chap, my original post appeared here for several hours and was available for all to see, albeit flagged with the message &#8216;awaiting moderation&#8217;.  Subsequently it disappeared.  Now, it may have seemed &#8217;silly&#8217; to you for me to assume that it had therefore been deleted by admin, but after investing considerable time in putting it together it hardly seemed unreasonable to feel a little cheesed off to find it apparently censored.  If that is &#8217;silly&#8217;, then I must be silly.</p>
<p>I have no idea what your point is regarding the suggestion that &#8216;he can waste hes money and time on these systems&#8217;.  It is entirely because people like me are prepared to do this and put these things to the test that we can weed out the useless stuff and highlight the very few worthwhile systems.  Personally I find that there are occasionally elements in some systems which have some merit, even if the system itself is not completely viable.  By putting together snippets of such information I have managed to make my betting moderately profitable after years of banging my head against the wall.  Nowadays I only buy Clickbank products in light of their solid refund policy. So, David, if it&#8217;s all the same to you, I&#8217;ll continue to &#8216;waste&#8217; my time (though definitely not my money), and in the process continue to further my education.  </p>
<p>As for apologising to admin, yes I agree that an apology is merited, though I shall do so of my own volition and not because you told me to.  This was a simple misunderstanding and nothing more. Re. not posting here again&#8230; well, my original post certainly wasn&#8217;t done with a view to any kind of personal gain; it didn&#8217;t benefit me in the slightest.  I did hope, though, that it might lend considerable weight to the opinion  that <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/bettingsalvation" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betting Salvation</a> is something to avoid like the plague.</p>
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		<title>By: Braam</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/betting-salvation-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5822</link>
		<dc:creator>Braam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your response to my initial enquiry regarding Betting Salvation was tremendous. It is great that I stumbled on you guys and thanks much for the feedback.  
Could I turn your arm again and enquire about the Betfair Millionaire system.
Or maybe if you can just direct me to a profitable system, or does it not exist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response to my initial enquiry regarding <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/bettingsalvation" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betting Salvation</a> was tremendous. It is great that I stumbled on you guys and thanks much for the feedback.<br />
Could I turn your arm again and enquire about the <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> Millionaire system.<br />
Or maybe if you can just direct me to a profitable system, or does it not exist?</p>
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		<title>By: TonyT</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/betting-salvation-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5820</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Admin

Just got this new email which I think is doing the rounds. called the betfair millionaire

www.betfairmillionaire.com

Can you test this as this site seems to be quite quiet of late?  normally you have a few system tests going at once. Anyhow, this bloke says he has made a million from betfair and will sell his secrets for a measely £27.  I am just getting that rochdale gang feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Admin</p>
<p>Just got this new email which I think is doing the rounds. called the <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >betfair</a> millionaire</p>
<p><a href="http://www.betfairmillionaire.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.betfairmillionaire.com</a></p>
<p>Can you test this as this site seems to be quite quiet of late?  normally you have a few system tests going at once. Anyhow, this bloke says he has made a million from <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-in" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >betfair</a> and will sell his secrets for a measely £27.  I am just getting that rochdale gang feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Neil M, should say sorry to Admin otherwise not to come back here again and can waste hes money and time on these systems, after a silly comment of hes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Neil M, should say sorry to Admin otherwise not to come back here again and can waste hes money and time on these systems, after a silly comment of hes.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil=&gt; We have not deleted any comments. The comments just has to be approved manually by us due to too much spam otherwise. But as you will see your post is up and running :-)

It will always take a little time before posts are approved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil=&gt; We have not deleted any comments. The comments just has to be approved manually by us due to too much spam otherwise. But as you will see your post is up and running <img src='http://www.horseracingman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It will always take a little time before posts are approved!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil M</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/betting-salvation-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5814</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are truly amazing... I take the time and considerable trouble to outline the system&#039;s glaring flaws (while being careful not to open up any copyright issues by divulging specific details).  My reward for doing so is that you delete my post without explanation.  Sorry chaps but this thing is such a dangerous pile of nonsense that I thought some detailed analysis might not go amiss. Evidently you disagree, and of course you will delete this post too, though it will receive at least some airtime before you do.

Stuff as bad as this requires considerable negative publicity... for goodness&#039; sake, the author is trying to tell us that we can earn 20K by betting a tenner a time on a mediocre tipster&#039;s selections.  The man clearly can&#039;t even use a calculator since his projected 20K return is out by a factor of ten.. the return would be 2 grand not twenty!

If you feel that to expose clear untruths such as that is inappropriate for this website then you are every bit as foolish as those you are claiming to advise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are truly amazing&#8230; I take the time and considerable trouble to outline the system&#8217;s glaring flaws (while being careful not to open up any copyright issues by divulging specific details).  My reward for doing so is that you delete my post without explanation.  Sorry chaps but this thing is such a dangerous pile of nonsense that I thought some detailed analysis might not go amiss. Evidently you disagree, and of course you will delete this post too, though it will receive at least some airtime before you do.</p>
<p>Stuff as bad as this requires considerable negative publicity&#8230; for goodness&#8217; sake, the author is trying to tell us that we can earn 20K by betting a tenner a time on a mediocre tipster&#8217;s selections.  The man clearly can&#8217;t even use a calculator since his projected 20K return is out by a factor of ten.. the return would be 2 grand not twenty!</p>
<p>If you feel that to expose clear untruths such as that is inappropriate for this website then you are every bit as foolish as those you are claiming to advise.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil M</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/betting-salvation-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5813</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.. a complete and utter pile of tripe!  I too requested a refund after only a few minutes although it was almost worth the small amount of effort just to listen to the first risible &#039;testimonial&#039;.  Actually I think the testimonials are synthesized; at least I hope they are, because if not the first guy&#039;s stuff is horribly embarrassing. 

The whole thing is badly written and ambiguous, littered with unfounded and incorrect claims.  It is not even completely clear whether the author is advocating &#039;win&#039; or &#039;place&#039; betting, since he refers, in an erroneous paragraph re. getting better odds, to the &#039;place backing odds for one of our candidate&#039; (sic).  Nowhere else does place betting merit a mention, so which is it?

Incidentally, did you know that if you see odds of 1.55 on Betfair early in the morning, you can request better odds (better by 54 and 90% apparently) and &quot;eventually your bet will get matched before the race starts&quot;?  Well, I&#039;ve been involved with Betfair for over 7 years and I must admit that this little gem had so far escaped me! (&#039;Betting Salvation&#039; is not a trading system, of course... in fact it isn&#039;t a system at all, more a pile of worthless, illiterate nonsense).


I was particularly impressed (not) by the second of the two &#039;Easy Profit Methods&#039; which supplement the main system.  Essentially the author claims that it is possible to earn in excess of 20 Grand a year simply by following one particular tipster and betting to £10.00 per point.  The only problem is that the author has messed up his calculations:  The tipster in question does indeed show a points profit of 2294.05... HOWEVER, a quick analysis reveals that this total was achieved using £10.00 bets.  To earn at the level suggested would require total stakes of £398,200 (at £100.00, not £10.00, per point) for a ROI of only 5.76%  

Oh, and I amused myself yesterday by applying the main system to produce a day&#039;s worth of selections.  Out of nine qualifiers I would have seen only one win at odds of 2.36 (SP was lower...)... a nett loss of 6.64 points.

It&#039;s bad enough to relieve decent people of their money for garbage like this, but horrifying to consider the consequences of actually applying the information to real-money betting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.. a complete and utter pile of tripe!  I too requested a refund after only a few minutes although it was almost worth the small amount of effort just to listen to the first risible &#8216;testimonial&#8217;.  Actually I think the testimonials are synthesized; at least I hope they are, because if not the first guy&#8217;s stuff is horribly embarrassing. </p>
<p>The whole thing is badly written and ambiguous, littered with unfounded and incorrect claims.  It is not even completely clear whether the author is advocating &#8216;win&#8217; or &#8216;place&#8217; betting, since he refers, in an erroneous paragraph re. getting better odds, to the &#8216;place backing odds for one of our candidate&#8217; (sic).  Nowhere else does place betting merit a mention, so which is it?</p>
<p>Incidentally, did you know that if you see odds of 1.55 on <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> early in the morning, you can request better odds (better by 54 and 90% apparently) and &#8220;eventually your bet will get matched before the race starts&#8221;?  Well, I&#8217;ve been involved with <a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-in" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> for over 7 years and I must admit that this little gem had so far escaped me! (&#8216;<a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/bettingsalvation" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betting Salvation</a>&#8217; is not a trading system, of course&#8230; in fact it isn&#8217;t a system at all, more a pile of worthless, illiterate nonsense).</p>
<p>I was particularly impressed (not) by the second of the two &#8216;Easy Profit Methods&#8217; which supplement the main system.  Essentially the author claims that it is possible to earn in excess of 20 Grand a year simply by following one particular tipster and betting to £10.00 per point.  The only problem is that the author has messed up his calculations:  The tipster in question does indeed show a points profit of 2294.05&#8230; HOWEVER, a quick analysis reveals that this total was achieved using £10.00 bets.  To earn at the level suggested would require total stakes of £398,200 (at £100.00, not £10.00, per point) for a ROI of only 5.76%  </p>
<p>Oh, and I amused myself yesterday by applying the main system to produce a day&#8217;s worth of selections.  Out of nine qualifiers I would have seen only one win at odds of 2.36 (SP was lower&#8230;)&#8230; a nett loss of 6.64 points.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s bad enough to relieve decent people of their money for garbage like this, but horrifying to consider the consequences of actually applying the information to real-money betting.</p>
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		<title>By: TonyT</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/betting-salvation-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5809</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys DO NOT bet for a living.  They just come up with old rehashed rules and sell it off as a system.  They do not keep it in the market too long so will only sell it for a month or two cos they know it won&#039;t work in the long run.  Punters will buy it and soon forget and bin it then wait for the next best thing.  They win because not everyone will ask for a refund.  They will make a quick buck then move onto their new project called &quot;Betfair SuperStar Secret&quot; or something corny like that.  Those people are just internet marketeer conmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys DO NOT bet for a living.  They just come up with old rehashed rules and sell it off as a system.  They do not keep it in the market too long so will only sell it for a month or two cos they know it won&#8217;t work in the long run.  Punters will buy it and soon forget and bin it then wait for the next best thing.  They win because not everyone will ask for a refund.  They will make a quick buck then move onto their new project called &#8220;<a href="http://www.horseracingman.com/betfair-winners" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Betfair</a> SuperStar Secret&#8221; or something corny like that.  Those people are just internet marketeer conmen.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.horseracingman.com/betting-salvation-review/comment-page-1/#comment-5808</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree totally.

Just bought this and could probably have predicted judging by the no. of additional special offers that followed my interest that it would prove to be a generalised load of XXXX.

If you watch channel 4 on a saturday you will get the same obvious selection criteria for free!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree totally.</p>
<p>Just bought this and could probably have predicted judging by the no. of additional special offers that followed my interest that it would prove to be a generalised load of XXXX.</p>
<p>If you watch channel 4 on a saturday you will get the same obvious selection criteria for free!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc-chawner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc-chawner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>......But anything from Singapore is Kevin Schmidt who sometimes uses his other name of Don Carter...

So anything from Singapore should be ignored......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;But anything from Singapore is Kevin Schmidt who sometimes uses his other name of Don Carter&#8230;</p>
<p>So anything from Singapore should be ignored&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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