Aug
7
Curse of the handicapper Review
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Now it’s time to look at one more system by Paul Fowlie which also has made Lay The Place. Curse of the Handicapper is his new system which claims £190 a day profit for the last 210 days and it should be quite easy and fast to operate.
What is included in Curse of the handicapper
You don’t get any fancy book with a lot of material in it. All you get is the few system rules and then the results from 2008. The system is very easy to operate and does not require lots of form studying, identifying drifters and so on. It is so easy that a small child could do it every day using only few minutes.
There are 5 rules to follow with curse of the handicapper and they are all pretty simple and straightforward.
Curse of the handicapper Review
We are going to test Curse of the handicapper for at least 1 month. But my first impression are that I won’t use real money with this system. It seems too simple and throw up too many selections for me to believe that it will work long term. Another thing that i’m disappointed about is that they don’t quote their results at Betfair SP. As usual with many lay systems they use regular SP prices when they show their profits. The reason is simply because the regular SP prices are much lower than the Betfair prices you can actually lay at which makes the profit look very much higher than it is.
If Paul Fowlie had actually used Curse of the Handicapper system to generate these kind of results he would be able to supply real Betfair odds, NO system maker who is actually using a lay system record results at regular SP prices since you can’t lay at these prices.
To be fair the prices you lay at are maximum 11/2 so the Batfair prices are not very much higher than SP prices on track. Another positive thing is that the results are at level stakes - NO fancy staking plan used to generate the results.
Let’s see how it goes when we put Curse of The Handicapper to the test at real Betfair prices!!
TEST START DATE 6th Aug
Lay £100 on each selection
Note: I am testing with Betfair live odds without predicting betfair odds by increasing just 10% on top of the actual SP.
6th Aug:
Bets: 18
Winners: 14 (Winners are actualy losers in the Race as this is Laying system)
Losers: 4
Profit/Loss (Day 1): +105
7th Aug:
Beta: 20
Winners: 17
Losers: 3
Profit/Loss (Day 2): +948
8th Aug:
Beta:17
Winners: 13
Losers:4
Profit/Loss (Day 3): +285
9th Aug:
Beta:19
Winners: 12
Losers:7
Profit/Loss (Day 4): -1218
10th Aug:
Beta:4
Winners:3
Losers:1
Profit/Loss (Day 5): +15
11th Aug:
Beta:8
Winners:7
Losers:1
Profit/Loss (Day 6): +265
12th Aug:
Beta:9
Winners:7
Losers:2
Profit/Loss (Day 7): +221
13th Aug:
Beta:19
Winners:14
Losers:5
Profit/Loss (Day 8): -341
Note: from 14th to 16th Aug my Grehorsebot did not working so unfortunately no bet.
17th Aug:
Beta:9
Winners:8
Losers:1
Profit/Loss (Day 9): +460
18th Aug:
Beta:8
Winners:5
Losers:3
Profit/Loss (Day 10): -80
Total P/L from 6th Aug: +687
Aug
5
I have now finalized my review of The Favourites Phenomenon system. It managed to get into the recommended system folder since it has been performing very well, and also has been able to proof back in time that the results are very consistent (139 points profit in 6 months time). It is not a system for everyone, so please read the full review before you buy the system, or ask questions in here if you are unsure. Good luck with it 
Read the full Favourites Phenomenon Review here
Aug
4
Lay The Place Review
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Now it’s time to test Lay The Place written by Paul Fowlie which is another system by Sportsworld Publishing. I have been using this system for a month now on and off and have got some very good results. Therefore I decided to give it to one of my testers who will post at least 1 month results of Lay The Place.
What is included in Lay The Place by Paul Fowlie
This is a very easy system which anyone can use. You don’t need to spend hours studying form, or worry about loss retrieval staking plans. This system is so easy that all the rules are summed up on 1 page. Anyone can find out to use these simple rules and go through the racing card to find potential races to bet in. You Download Lay The Place and can start using it the very same day.
The idea behind the system is to lay 2 horses on the place market in the same race. Of course you can’t do it in every race for a profit, and that is where the very easy selection process comes into place.
The results quoted for Lay The Place looks very impressive and with the ease of the system in mind this could be a real winner if the results continue.
I will post the results for at least 1 month underneath so we can see if this system continues to perform very well
If anyone has tried Lay The Place already then please “leave a comment” and say what you think
The Results as Quoted by the author (we have not tested that these results are true)
Longest winning run =14
Longest losing run = 3
Average bets per day = 2
August £1,697
September £1,613
October £1,332
November £2,168
December £1,528
January £1,386
February £ 915
March £1,621
April £1,215
MAY £1,720
JUNE £1,895
JULY £2,845
PROFIT RECORDED SINCE AUGUST 2007 = £19,935.
Test Results for Lay The Place system UPDATED DAILY (OUR UNBIASED RESULTS)
Test start 06/08/08
Lay £100 on each selection
6th Aug: 8.05 Yarmouth PROFIT 73
7th Aug:
2.40 Haydock LOSS 171
3.0 Brighton PROFIT 10
8th Aug:
6.35 Haydock LOSS 3
7.50 Newmarket PROFIT 68
9th Aug: No qualifier
10th Aug: 4.30 Windsor LOSS 179
11th Aug: 2.30 Wolverhamston WIN 79
12th Aug:
2.30 Lingfield LOSS 47
3.30 Lingfield WIN 28
4.39 Lingfield LOSS 180
6.40 Mussleburgh WIN 8
13th Aug: No qualifier
14th Aug: Greyhorsebot crashed so No bet
15th Aug: No qualifier
16th Aug:
2.10 Newbury WIN 3
2.50 Ripon LOSS 137
5.10 Ripon WIN 35
6.10 Market rasen LOSS 131
17th Aug: No qualifier
18th Aug:
2.45 Wolverhampton WIN 56
4.0 Lingfield WIN 70
5.50 Yarmouth WIN 190
Total P/L start from 6th Aug: -228
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Aug
4
Betfair Loophole UPDATE - BF loophole
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I have just received an email from one of our fellow punters out there who has done a lot of work trying to back test BF Loophole system. It does not change my view of this system being a NOT RECOMMENDED system but it is very good reading anyway and I’m always happy to receive such emails. If others have tried a system that we have already tested, or have experiences with systems that we have not tested then let us know and help the whole community to save some money or win some money. I can’t try all systems myself so I really depend on you guys out there helping me an thousands of others looking after good or bad systems
Jul
29
I have now observed that the Dailydonkey no longer proof their results to racingindex after they started to use Betfair SP prices which made it pretty clear for even the most stupid dailydonkey user that this was a clear SCAM that would lose you a lot of money. Stay away from Dailydonkey and all their bots that only can do one thing, and that is to automate your LOSES!!!
Jul
21
Fancy Fillies is now recommended
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I have now decided to put Fancy Fillies in our recommended system folder. This system has performed very well for more than 1 month and has never been close to losing us money. Fancy Fillies can be operated very easily since it only takes 5-10 minutes to find the selection and you can place your bet before you go to work. Read the full review of Fancy Fillies and see the results. I will continue posting results since I will continue using it myself with real money - Why not do that when it works and is so easy to use???
Jul
17
This is a review of Money Talks written by Anthony Gibson and sold by Sportsworldpublishing. We have got a new tester on board which will be writing the review of Money Talks and do at least one month of testing.
Here you see some graphs over the results (provided by the author)
Our new tester Jon will be writing more about this system very soon and start the live test in 3-4 days time
Good day everyone!
Money Talks is a BACKING system using information available from bookmakers and then betting with Betfair in both the win and place markets. The system is marketed by Sportsworld Publishing for £95 which also includes one month´s selections via a non premium rate telephone service. The selection service can then be renewed for £65 every three months if required.
So, what do you get for your money?
Money Talks comprises of an 18 page manual which thankfully does not include the usual explanation about how to bet with Betfair etc that so many other systems include to fluff out their manuals! The author gets straight into the system and selection process from page 2. The system can be used for Flat racing, All Weather and National Hunt although there are a few race types that do not qualify.
The author then explains the strategy behind the selection process which, on paper at least, seems to logical. A particular statistical fact is carefully explained and illustrated with visuals from the Racing Post website, Betfair and Racing Post newspaper. The system has created a short list from the statistical facts which the author claims has produced his strike rates of 67% for win bets and 88% for place bets. One interesting point to note is that you are not required to study form and that the horses themselves are NOT part of the qualifying process. Rather, you will be looking for other specific information when making your final selection(s).
This requires you to check a particular page on the Racing Post website about an hour before the first race of the day to check whether certain horses qualify as a possible selection. You then check the price on Betfair and depending on the odds being offered you decide whether to back the horse to win or back for a place. The manual doesn´t make it clear whether you should back the horse in both the win and place markets but from my reading, I think you would decide between a win or place bet for each selection rather than backing the same horse in both markets.
It is then important to watch the live market and place your bet about 5-10 minutes before the Off. If you cannot watch the live market, the author recommends that you place a conditional bet with a bookmaker as if the selection drifts above a certain level, it becomes a NO BET.
The manual also includes advice on staking plans. The initial selection process should take you no more than 20 minutes to identify selections from the Racing Post and check whether they qualify for a bet. I will start the test next Monday (21 July) and run it for 4-5 weeks using level stakes and will post results here every day. I may not be able to test over weekends due to other commitments.
Jon
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21 July - Day 1
The author of Money Talks produced his results sheets using level stakes of £100 for win market bets and a progressive 10% of bank stake for place bets. To enable a proper comparison with his claims of the very high strike rates, I will use the same staking plans with two starting banks of 1,000 (whatever currency you use) and I will also deduct 5% from winnings to show the net returns from Betfair.
Today was frustrating to say the least! Initially, there were three possible selections. However one of these never reached the odds/price criteria demanded by the system and had to be scrubbed a few minutes before the Off. The horse went off and won easily!
The second selection lost by a mile whilst the third selection also became a “No Bet” ten minutes before the race because it drifted outside the permissible odds/price but it did still get placed (2nd).
But, we have to stick to the system rules so today there was just one qualifying selection:
Windsor 18.20 Institute Finished 11th Betfair prices 2 mins to Off Win 2.26 Place 1.32
P/L -200
Let´s hope for better luck tomorrow
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22 July - Day 2
There were 2 selections today, both of which WON! However, the system prohibited betting in the Place market for one of the selections because the odds/price being offered did not meet the system requirement.
Something I have found in the few days testing the system is that you have to keep checking the market throughout the day to make sure that early selections prices do not drift and are not then disqualified and also to check if other horses qualify during the day. So this isn´t a system that can be used to place bets before you go off to work etc.
Salisbury 15.00 Square Eddie WON Price Win 2.7 Place 1.42 Returned 161.50 and 35.91
Great Leighs 19.50 Evelyn May WON Price Win 1.61 Place No Bet Returned 57.95
Profit for day 255.36
P/L to date +55.36
I am keeping an Excel spreadsheet of results and daily P/L that is in the same format as the author´s results and which I will be pleased to email to Admin when the test is completed should anyone want a copy.
23 July - Results amended as Ouzbeck was NOT a qualifier. See comments below!
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23 July - Day 3
Just one selection today although there were several potential qualifiers where the odds/price never got close to the system rules. In fact out of 9 potential selections, 3 won their race, 1 was second and 1 third. The three winners won at SP of 8/1, 6/1 and 7/1. The SP for the horse that was placed second in the same race as the qualifying selection was 11/1.
The qualifier came 3rd
Sandown 19.40 Main Aim 3rd Win 1.62 Place 1.32 -100 on win bet and returned 30.23 on place
Profit for day -69.77
P/L to date -14.41
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24 July - Day 4
Around midday, there were 11 potential selections but Betfair prices and system rules about race competitor prices reduced the list to just two qualifying selections. One of the disgarded horses went on to win at an SP 7/4 and three others were placed.
I have asked Admin to try and get clarification from the author about whether we should stick rigidly to the Betfair win market price or whether we can include selections that meet the Racing Post odds criteria even if the price on Betfair drifts a little above the maximum price stipulated in the system rules. (You may have seen the brief discussion between Ken Douglas and myself yesterday in the comments below).
Today´s final selections were:
Sandown 15.55 Visions of Johanna WON Win 2.50 Place 1.32 Returned 142.50 on win bet and 29.37 on place
Sandown 17.00 Detonator 2nd Win 2.48 Place 1.34 Returned -100 on win bet and 32.15 on place
Profit for day +104.02
P/L to date +89.61
I regret that I will now be away until Sunday evening so will start the test again on Monday 28 July.
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28 July - Day 5
Somewhat surprisingly, there were no qualifying selections for today. I could only find 4 possible selections but none of these qualified for a bet on the odds/price allowed by the system rules. One of the four possible selections went on to win at SP 13/2 and another finished 2nd at SP 4/1.
Profit for day 0.00
P/L to date +89.61
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29 July - Day 6
Unlike yesterday, there were many potential selections today but after applying the system rules these were reduced to six. Of these, two became a “No Bet” as their odds/price were too long or too close to the nearest competitor at the start of the race. One finished 2nd and the other 6th.
There were also another 2 initial selections that were later discarded because of their odds/price that went on to win at SP 5/1 and 10/1 plus a further three horses were placed.
Today´s final 4 selections were:
Goodwood 14.50 Conduit WON Win 1.53 Place 1.21 Returned 50.35 on win bet and 20.50 on place
Goodwood 15.30 Infallible LOST 5th Win 2.4 Place 1.35 Returned -100 on win bet and -104.81 on place
Beverley 16.55 Steel Cut PLACED 2nd Win 2.38 Place 1.56 Returned -100 on win bet and 50.18 on place
Goodwood 17.50 Magaling LOST 4th Win 3.0 Place 1.48 Returned -100 on win bet and -99.35 on place
Profit for day -383.13
P/L to date -293.52
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30 July - Day 7
What a frustrating day! At around midday, I had identified 28 possible selections which were then shortlisted to 10 potential qualifiers. Of these, just ONE qualified on the odds/price system rules. Of the other nine possibles, 4 won their race and a further 3 were placed.
The single qualifier was:
Kempton 20.30 Rose Street Placed 2nd. Win 3.3 Place 1.61 Returned -100 on win bet and 51.81 on place.
Profit for day -48.19
P/L to date -341.71
So, after the first full week, the stats are:
11 selections: 4 wins (36%) 4 placed (36%) 3 lost (27%)
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31 July - Day 8
Today´s search found three selections easily, but with mixed results. At least we managed to end a losing run of 6 on win bets but our overall P/L is still disappointing for a system that claims to have a 67% strike rate for win bets and 88% for place bets.
Todays selections were:
Sandown 19.00 Marching Time Lost 6th Win 2.00 Place 1.29 Returned -100 on win bet and -94.59 on place bet.
Sandown 19.30 Cave Lion Placed 3rd Win 2.80 Place 1.33 Returned -100 on win bet and 26.69 on place bet.
Sandown 20.35 Askar Tau WON Win 2.34 Place 1.38 Returned 127.30 on win bet and 31.70 on place bet.
Profit for day -108.90
P/L to date -450.61
A bit frustratingly, the horse that won in Marching Time´s race could have been a selection but the odds/price were too long!
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1 August - Day 9
What a day for The MoneyTalks system!
I found 5 qualifying selections with FOUR winners and the other was placed.
Thirsk 15.15 Aflaam WON Win 1.42 Place 1.21 Returned 39.90 on win bet & 18.15 on place bet
Thirsk 17.00 Bonne Placed 3rd Win 3.15 Place 1.56 Returned -100 on win bet & 49.36 on place bet
Goodwood 17.15 Visit WON Win 3.4 Place 1.7 Returned 218.50 on win bet & 64.99 on place bet
Newmarket 17.55 War Native WON Win 1.82 Place 1.39 Returned 77.90 on win bet & 38.61 on place bet
Bath 20.45 Muftarres WON Win 2.76 Place 1.35 Returned 167.20 on win bet & 35.94 on place bet
Profit for day +610.55
P/L to date +159.94
So a very good day for the system and one that has put the P/L back into profit. Long may it continue!
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4 August - Day 10
A disappointing day after last Friday´s excellent results. There were just four selections initially but only one horse became a definite qualifier according to the system rules on bookmakers´odds.
The other two “non qualifiers” finished first at SP 9/2 and third in their races. The qualifying selection was:
Ripon 16.15 Kossack WON Win 1.45 Place No Bet (odds too short) Returned 42.75 on win bet
Profit for day +42.75
P/L to date +202.69
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5 August - Day 11
Just two race meetings meant there was only one qualifier today which was:
Catterick 14.30 Feeling Fab Placed 3rd Win 1.41 Place No bet (odds too short) Returned -100 from win bet
6 August - Day 12
With all the race meetings today, I expected to find several qualifiers but there were just two selections:
Newcastle 15.50 Needwood Lad WON Win 3.00 Place 1.48 Returned 190.00 on win bet & 50.93 on place bet
Yarmouth 20.05 Askar Tau WON Win 1.40 Place 1.20 Returned 38.00 on win bet & 22.19 on place bet
Profit for day +301.12
P/L to date +403.81
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7 August - Day 13
Another good day for the system, slightly spoiled by the last selection finishing second beaten by a head!
There was a fourth qualifier which I did not include as the odds/price were just too long. The horse won at SP 11/4.
Yarmouth 14.20 Aakef WON Win 2.58 Place 1.23 Returned 150.10 on win bet & 26.00 on place bet
Yarmouth 15.50 Certain Promise WON Win 1.73 Place 1.29 Returned 69.35 on win bet & 33.50 on place bet
Sandown 20.25 Slip Placed 2nd Win 2.98 Place 1.42 Returned -100 on win bet & 49.86 on place bet
Profit for day +228.81
P/L to date +632.62
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8 August - Day 14
Someone told me that the Olympics opened today as the number 8 is considered to be lucky by the Chinese. Well, a great shame the luck didn´t reach Haydock this evening!
Just two selections today which were:
Haydock 19.05 Servoca Placed 2nd Win 1.8 Place No Bet (odds too short) Returned -100 on win bet
Haydock 20.35 Amber Queen Unplaced 5th Win 1.77 Place 1.34 Returned -100 on win bet & -129.93 on place bet
Profit for day -329.93
P/L to date +302.69
28 selections: 14 wins (50%) 9 placed (32%) 5 unplaced (18%)
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